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The recount for the 11th Senate District seat is almost at an end. Incumbent Republican Frank Padavan leads Democratic City Councilman Jim Gennaro by 582 votes with only about 250 paper ballots left to examine. That should put the race out of reach for Gennaro, who does not have enough ballots remaining to make up a 582 vote shortfall.
However, Republicans may have overplayed their hand. With approximately 2000 paper ballots out of the total 8000 having been invalidated by bi-partisan Board of Elections staff in advance of the official recount, the democrats at the 11th hour now vow to take their case to court in order to have the 2000 previously invalidate ballots declared valid. Democrats are claiming that voters, especially minority voters in this district, are being disenfranchised.
disenfranchisedThe first mistake the republican team made was to allow the highest ranking republican at the Queens Board of Elections, Katherine James, to be removed from the recount. James, a long-serving official at the Queens Board, is also African-American and would not have been a party to any effort to invalidating ballots of minority voters.
The Republicans in charge of the recount, John Ciampoli, an Albany election lawyer, and John Haggerty, who is ostensibly serving as Ciampoli's paralegal (although not a licensed paralegal and not preparing any of the briefs according to insiders), inexplicably caved to a request from democratic lawyers that James be substituted for someone from outside the borough and with less experience than James.
Why there was an objection to James working on the recount is unclear, as is the reason the Republicans caved in and allowed her replacement.
Democratic commissioners at the Board are threatening not to vote in favor of certifying the results, and more alarming is that at least one Republican Commissioner is also concerned about voter disenfranchisement due to the involvement of John Haggerty in the recount, who is notorious for his tactics in invalidating minority voters' ballots. Haggerty has long been rumored to have used inappropriate tactics in other recounts around NY.
Bringing in an operative with this baggage when it is fairly clear Padavan has the votes seems to have played right into the hands of Democratic recount leaders Reich and Boyles and Democratic operatives from the Parkside group who are playing up every perceived slight for the media. Indeed today's court proceedings were delayed by up to 45 minutes by Reich's press conference before the hearing.
For years Haggerty and his brother Bart have fought the Queens GOP organization, often undermining their efforts to rebuild the party or support candidates, by filing numerous frivolous lawsuits over the bi-annual election of the county party Chairman. Many are quietly pointing the finger at Haggerty for weakening Sen. Serf Maltese to the point where he almost lost his reelection in 2006 and was finally dethroned this year.
this yearDemocratic District leaders have routinely credited the Haggerty brothers with exposing Maltese's weakness and "putting blood in the water" which ultimately resulted in Maltese's defeat this year and the toppling of the Senate Majority.
However, Haggerty, who was a Pataki staffer, made many friends as Pataki's dispenser of patronage and has apparently gotten a pass from leaders in Albany on his relentless attacks on Senator Maltese and the Queens GOP.
The ultimate mystery in this strange case is this: Why would the Senate leadership send Haggerty to help defend Padavan when he has been undermining Queens elected officials for years and a Padavan loss would increase the likelihood of a successful Haggerty challenge to the current GOP leadership?
GOP leadershipAll the more given his alleged relationship with Democratic officials and Democratic operatives at the Board of Elections representing clients on election law matters. Although not a licensed attorney Haggerty routinely represents Republican and Democrat Candidates at the Board of Election hearings using what have been described as hardball or questionable tactics making him as many friends as enemies.
Republicans need to keep a close eye on this and make sure that a loose cannon operative like Haggerty doesn't undermine the efforts of Republicans to keep this critical Senate seat to further his own agenda. Republicans appear to have the numbers but seem to be outmaneuvered by the Democrats at every turn, first in the public relations department and now in court.
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written by Jay Golub , December 02, 2008
Wow, this is terrible. The loss of this race, especially if it occurs due the supposed mistakes made above, would be terrible for the Queens GOP and the GOP of NYC...
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written by Alibaba , December 03, 2008
I know Katherine and she is great!
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written by RRR , December 03, 2008
The Dems are full of sh-it and have been all along. It is a mathematical improbability to sqeeze out the numbers they need for Gennero. If they have run through 6,000 paper paper ballots and Padavan is still up 580 with only 252 in the judicial review box (the "Box") even if every ballot in the Box was a Gennero vote Padavan would still have a lead of 328. As it is some portion in the Box are probably for Padavan or "No" votes (folks who just voted for Obama and not the whole line). A bipartisan board that leans over backward to validate ballots only initially identified approximately 2000 for invalidation out of 8000 paper ballots in advance of the recount and are known to have reworked them extensively to bring the number down to 1700. Ask yourself what kind of error rate would be necessary to allow Gennaro to actually win. Even a 20% error rate would be insufficent because somewhere between 40% to 50% of the invalidated ballots are for Padavan. What do they need to win? 30% or 40% error rate? Fraud for Gennerao. Ballots in teh back of someone's trunk to appear? Padavan's legal team may or may not be making a muck of the recount. It is unclear at this time but they certainly are losing the public relations war.
For Gennaro to even have a shot then he would need over 300 or 400 of the previously invalidate ballots to be for him. That mean they need to revalidate up to 600 to 800 votes. The Dems probably know they can't win but want a propaganda victory and they are getting one. Shades of Florida. With the stakes as highas they are one has to ask way the GOP Senate handled this like this.
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written by gop_gal , December 03, 2008
Pataki ran our thriving NYS-GOP into the ground with his enormous ego. His fear of enlisting, promoting and farming other talented and capable Republicans to keep the party strong, literally put the NYS-GOP in a state of ruin. John Haggerty can be thanked for that, too. Haggerty's style worked well with Pataki's. His ego and old school "good old boy" political mentality did, and do, nothing to help the GOP. Haggerty is only driven by his unquenchable thrist for personal gain, power. He has fooled many in the party by seeming like a team player, when in fact he is a misogynistic, racist, self-serving egotist. He is a sneaky guy and plays dirty with his "team" and his enemy. Helping the overall good of the NYS-GOP is not a part of his agenda.
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written by Reaganite , December 03, 2008
It is amazing to me that anyone in the NYGOP answers Haggerty's phone calls, much less gives him any responsibility. He is the biggest slacker and scam artist going.
Not to mention he has been working with the Dems here against the GOP for years. His unholy alliance with the highly corrupt Stanley Schlein, the bronx dem election lawyer who orchestrated the coup against Rivera this year, has wreaked havoc on both the GOP in NYC and the city Board of Elections.
Haggerty's illegal activites at the Board need to be stopped, and it's a shame that good people at the BOE will likely lose their jobs in the near future thanks to Haggerty's meddling and acting like the king-maker at the Board.
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written by spunky , December 03, 2008
does anyone know what official role this Haggerty guy plays in the local and state party? is he part of the party or just a political consultant?
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written by But Seriously , December 03, 2008
Too bad Serf Maltese didn't take note, it could've saved him his seat.
I've worked with John Haggerty for years and he knows more about Queens than the gray men running the County. Listen to the younger generation for Christ sake to save whatever you have left.
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written by The Real Deal Holyfield , December 03, 2008
But Seriously, even fungus has its benefits. Pennicillin and mushrooms all serve a purpose. Although the fungus on dog doodie, I wouldnt eat.
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written by Jay Golub , December 04, 2008
http://www.nysun.com/new-york/...ity/17367/
I don't know the Haggerty's personally, but it seems to me that John Sr.'s judgement on issues important to Republicans should be questioned...
"In March, the Albany Times Union reported that Mr. Haggerty was resigning his $99,425-a-year job heading Governor Pataki's legislative affairs office to take up a post as Mr. Bloomberg's deputy campaign manager."
So, in 2005, Mr. Haggerty went from being a Pataki staffer to a Bloomberg Campaign staffer? He went from a guy who ran NY State like an authoritarian liberal to a guy who used and abused the GOP line as long as it suited him and was part of a direct effort to undermine a longtime Republican Councilman who, reasonably, wanted to run against a liberal Republican (at the time) incumbant Mayor?
This is the guy who "knows more" than "the grey men" running the party now?
Seems like these guys are for hire and what is in the best interest of the GOP doesn't seem to be what is of importance to them.
Do the Haggerty's still work for the "independant" Bloomberg?
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written by Jay Golub , December 04, 2008
http://www.poststar.com/articl...661931.txt
"In the meantime Treadwell, who is also seeking the Republican and Conservative nominations, reported a $2,500 expenditure in May 21 to John Haggerty for "petition consulting."
Treadwell, too? Again, it's hard to judge someone you don't know, but it seems to me that this guy hangs around with all the people who have ruined/damaged the NY State and City GOP, But Seriously. Is hanging around with Pataki, Bloomberg and Treadwell the type of "experience" we really want to see in our Party's leadership?
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written by The Real Deal Holyfield , December 04, 2008
Haggerty controls the Board of Elections, that is why Bloomberg hired him.When he says jump, the Board asks how high.
At any given time, he makes one call and gets what he wants.
He was able to manipulate votes and get Ognibene off the ballot and Bloomberg will forever be indebted.
Like we say in Italian, Capish?
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written by The Real Deal Holyfield , December 04, 2008
I remember in the early 80s as a young man in GOP Young Republican meeting a brilliant attorney named John Haggerty Sr. in Albany, he managed to spearhead efforts to grow the party and brought respect to our party in the senate.
Sadly, the legacy isnt being carried on.The apple fell so far from the tree it rolled across the street.
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written by Jay Golub , December 04, 2008
Call me naive, but how does a Haggerty "control" the board of elections? what is the mechanism of control?
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written by Jay Golub , December 04, 2008
http://observer.ci.observermed...term/50840
"Insurgent Republican activist Bart Haggerty filed a lawsuit yesterday in Albany County Supreme Court against the Queens County Republican Organization stemming from their re-organizational meeting, which was held two weeks ago today.
Haggerty filed a similar lawsuit in 2005 and lost."
The more i research, the more i find, yet i still don't know what it is that these Haggerty's do for the GOP, it's issues or it's candidates that would make one of them a reasonable choice to run the Queens GOP?
It seems that Paladin's claim that the Haggerty in question might be "undermining the efforts of Republicans" may have some validity...
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written by Alibaba , December 04, 2008
Yes, I recall what Haggerty did to Ognibene. Congratulations, Mr. Haggerty: now we can look forward to the THIRD Bloomberg term. However, payback is hell. Blooomberg owes Haggerty big time for that one.
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written by LoyalGOPer , December 04, 2008
Reading the comments of But Seriously made me laugh and realize how serious this matter really is. That anyone would defend this guy who has wreaked havoc on the party is mind boggling.
First of all, why would Maltese listen to someone who has relentlessly undermined him for years, as Haggerty has done? John Haggerty systematically weakened Serf until he finally became vulnerable.
"I've worked with John Haggerty for years and he knows more about Queens than the gray men running the County."
He knows about Queens? What does he know? Show me any evidence of that? He is so pathetic he can't even win a district leadership race in his own community. His own allies talk about how screwed up he is.
And have you bothered to look into who is in the room running the Queens GOP these days, my Serious friend? Other than the Chairman, it as all the younger generation. All Gen X'ers and 20-somethings.
Get your facts straight. It will save you embarrassment.
As one commenter mentioned, Haggerty's father was senior counsel to the Seante Majority Leader's office for many years, and was a wel-respected man in the party. It seems that his future-less son was given some patronage jobs first with Pataki and then Bruno.
With Pataki he was the guy who delivered the funding payoffs for all the other elected officials and therefore created a lot of sympathy for him. But he finally blew that job and then blew his next gig with the Senate.
He was pushed off on Bloomberg in 2005, who was sold a bill of goods. But he was able to use his BOW connections to knock Ognibene off the ballot. I guess Bloomie did get his monies worth on that one.
After petitions, he was supposed to help run outreach to the republican party and republican council candidates, but never returned a single phone call from any of the candidates I ever spoke with. He was a no-show for the party.
Since then he has floated around in the shadows turning up in odd places like working for Fossella in Staten Island and with Treadwell in Westchester, as well as other Pataki cronies who would pay him a few bucks to work on their petitions.
The really messed up part of this is how he has managed to parlay all these relationships into gaining power at the NYC BOE. He formed a relationship with Stanley Schlein, who was the Bronx Democratic Party election lawyer.
Schlein's former wife was a BOE commissioner, so he was able to influence her vote on the Board and eventually used his powerful position to influence other dem commissioners as well.
Haggerty was able to use his relationships with the SI GOP and the Senate Majority Leaders office to influence a number of GOP commissioners.
It was then Haggerty and Schlein who engineered the hiring of the current Executive Director, Marcus Cederquist (a Haggerty apparatchik), even over the objections of the Bronx and Queens GOP who each had a former BOE commissioner interested in that position who each would have ostensibly been more qualified for the job than Cederquist.
Together, Haggerty and Schlein hold power over the two top officials at the Board and a minimum of 5 commissioners at all times. They were successful in blocking the recent attempt to fire George Gonzalez from the #2 position under Cederquist.
The recent coup in the Bronx to oust Rivera and the multiple attempts by Haggerty to take control of the Queens organization is all about gaing control of the ability to appoint commissioners for those two organizations.
In a Svengali-like fashion they can have anyone at the Board hired or fired, but thay can't appoint the commissioners. Only County Chair's can do that. They can however block those appointments as they did with Vince Tabone from Queens recently.
It goes on and on and is a truly corrupt story. And a frighteneing one as well. Not only do they control the votes, they also have candidates as clients that they represent at the Board. This is a clear conflict of interest.
Haggerty has also been pushing for the Board to purchase the Sequoia voting system, acting in an appearant illegal manor as a lobbyist on their behalf. Interestingly, Sequoia is also a client of Al Pirro. These relationships are so intertwined and messed up it is beyond shocking. Someone will hopefully expose dall this someday.
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written by Reaganite , December 04, 2008
If anyone should doubt the fact that Haggerty works to undermine republicans in NYC, all one has to do is look at his efforts to get the challenge to Anthony Como's petitions moved out to Staten Island where his could control the review process and have Como's petitions invalidated by his allies at the SI Board of Elections.
This was done in coordination with the Queens democrats and their election lawyer Reich.
How any elected official can get in bed with this obviously shady and corrupt character should give us all pause.
Bloomberg has the most to lose here, since he is in bed with Haggerty and has been since his 2005 campaign. Haggerty regularly claims to be acting on authority of the Mayor (as he did previously with Pataki). While Bloomberg has complained about the BOE recently, he has not made as much of an issue as he could because he would be undermining Haggerty and his boy Marcus.
Bloomberg has decried partisanship at the Board, when in fact the real problem is the influence peddling by Haggerty and Schlein for personal gain as opposed to how the process should work to protect the integrity of the political process.
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written by Jay Golub , December 04, 2008
If what is being said is true, guys like these Haggerty's should go out and find a real job. In many ways, this is what is wrong with the political world, in general.
No honor - only greed. No interest in the public good - only interested thier own good.
Truly sad and it's not surprising that our dear Mayor hangs around with unprinicpled people like this...
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written by Dan Halloran , December 05, 2008
So it seems with the Count done, Frank is up 580 votes... of course now the matter has moved to court Justice Kerrigan (appointed to run by the very Democratic machine that is bringing the process into court), will need to address whether or not the ballots invalidated by the Board of Elections can be re-examined under the claim that SOMEHOW the BOE commissioners (one republican and one democrat) were biased against hispanic and asian persons casting affidavit ballots-
the party would do well to consider such a claim smacks of civil rights and voting rights act issues which are LARGER than state court.... perhaps they should pre-empt the Dems and pull the matter into EDNY Federal Court to prevent the bias of a democratic machine's NY State Judge can't put the finger on the scales of justice....
At least the Federal system TENDS to be far less forgiving with frivilous lawsuits....
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written by Robert Hornak , December 05, 2008
I’d like to chime in here about the Queens Republican Party. I’ve been active in NYC politics for many years now. At times I’ve certainly been outspoken about the shortcomings of our Party and the County Committee operations.
But what I’ve seen in the last year since Phil Ragusa became Queens GOP Chairman has been very encouraging. Chairman Ragusa may bear some resemblance to the “gray men” one commenter described, having spent many decades dedicated to working for the Republican Party.
However the rest of the organization is made up of bright, energetic and talented people my age (early 40’s) and younger. A quick look at the website www.qgop.com will show to what degree the party has been modernized and there are many initiatives still in the planning stage.
Many people may complain that more is not being done fast enough. Of course, it is easy to complain. I have done my fair share over the years. However, I always backed up my complaints with action, doing what I thought others should be doing. Anyone who thinks they can do better should do more than just talk. They should do something to actually build the party and establish themselves as legitimate leaders and not just the opposition.
Leadership by example is the only kind that matters in politics. And I know from working with Chairman Ragusa over the last year that he is open to anyone who wants to step up to the plate and work on behalf of the Party (as opposed to those who just work for their own benefit).
I have never sought to be part of the “organization” but I could not be more proud to be part of the Queens GOP under Chairman Ragusa.
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written by Alibaba , December 08, 2008
I am unimpressed by Ragusa. He himself had a terrible race against Avella several years ago in what used to be a GOP seat on the city council. He also has a much trouble remembering people's names. Putting "headquarters" in Bayside, far from public transportation, is also a big mistake. He should have put it closer to Astoria or anywhere which can be easily reached by people who work in Manhattan. His inability to remember who people are is astonishing. He also was a Bloomberg supporter.
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written by Paladin , December 08, 2008
I think you are being overly critical and using some rather trivial points to complain about Ragusa here. First of all, all the GOP candidates in 2003 did poorly thanks the overwhelming opposition by the unions and the dems to the non-partisan election charter revision proposal.
Republicans had little to no organized support for it, and in some cases openly opposed it, undermining their own slate of candidates who were counting on pro-prop voters to turn out. They did not because they were not prodded to. This was a huge failure (once again) of GOP leadership in the city. It turned out to be a tidlewave against GOP candidates bigger then the wave for Obama last month.
Ragusa also ran for Assembly years earlier and came within a few hundred votes of victory. As usual, he had no support from Albany at the time, which very likely would have made the difference in that race.
As for the HQ location, yes it would be nice if it were closer to a subway instead of just a bus. That was not by design but by default - that is were the best opportunity was, and was a good way to establish the new leadership as independent of the old.
It hasn't seemed to hamper too many people, as the place was busy during the election with volunteers, and parking is also very easy for the many people in Queens with cars.
All in all I think it's fair to say Ragusa's efforts have been laudible. While much more needs to be done, that seems to just be a factor of time. It is clear things are going in a new direction in Queens.
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written by Alibaba , December 08, 2008
Location, location location - they should move headquarters to a place that people can easily reach such as Astoria, Jackson Heights or Flushing.
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written by Paladin , December 08, 2008
Everything is a trade off. If you have an affordable space you should let them know. Otherwise, complaints will be filed in the appropriate place.
It should be noted that the places you suggest are all very difficult for parking. And since the main volunteers are always older folks who tend to drive and not take subways, it seems better to accommodate them.
However, if it is only transportation that is preventing you from volunteering time I suggest you call over next time there is something happening and I'm sure they can arrange a ride for you from somebody in your neighborhood.
Of course this all seems a rather silly way to judge the effectiveness of a county leader. Better to look at the people he brings in and does that group speak to the future. I think in this case, Ragusa has done an outstanding job.
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written by Alibaba , December 08, 2008
You expect people to DRIVE to a meeting at night? And then you wonder why people have lost interest? Yes, convenience is a tradeoff and your non responsive response has been noted.
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written by Jay Golub , December 08, 2008
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...patro.html
There could be more to this story. Can the Dem's be challenged for doing the same thing? What do our insiders say about these allegations?
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written by Jay Golub , December 08, 2008
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...biz-2.html
If this practice isn't against the law, why are Eric and others in the GOP getting so much attention?
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written by Alibaba , December 08, 2008
"Campaign work a rich side biz" - are they joking? Do they not realize how little Eric and others were paid?
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written by Alibaba , December 08, 2008
This sounds like a hit piece. These were small sums of money and working at the Board of Elections is not exactly a plumb job- far from it. Somebody at the Daily Snooze hates the GOP.
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written by Jay Golub , December 08, 2008
I don't agree RE: Daily News. The DN has been respective of GOP efforts before, even if the political slant of the paper goes slightly to the Left.
It does seem like a story without much Umph, but it's a slow news day...
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written by Alibaba , December 09, 2008
Working at the Board of Elections is not exactly a stepping stone to corporate success. This story is an overblown hit piece. I know people who turned down jobs there and preferred working as temps. This is a tempest in a teapot.
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written by Paladin , December 10, 2008
The Daily News story is relatively off the mark, but the real problem is that is doesn't go deep enough into the corruption at the Board of Elections.
It is unfortunate that they singled out a few republicans like Eric Ulrich that really have notihng to do with the problems at the Board. The real problems lie with certain members of senior management and people who are not Board employees manipulating Commissioners and Board personnel to fix votes in favor of their clients.
It seems that the Daily News is serious about exposing the Board for the cesspool that it is. If they keep digging they will eventually get to the bottom of this, which will hopefully get the attention of the District Attorney, Conflict of Interest Board and perhaps even federal authorities.
The days of business as usual at the Board of Elections are over.
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written by Yoda , December 11, 2008
Well, it looks like the warnings that Padavan's legal team could be endangering his chances of winning are being realized. Yesterday a judge ordered that the 1800 paper ballots previously ruled invalid by the BOE be reviewed again to determine if they can be found to be legitimate by any means or excuse.
This si in spite of teh fact the the guys running the recount for Padavan were repeatedly told by Queens GOP lawyers that they were not handling this properly and risked this action by the judge. Ciampoli and Haggerty were not prepared for tihs motion.
Now Padavan looks likely to lose. Oddly enough, it helps Haggerty who more than likely plans to challenge Queens GOP Chairman Phil Ragusa for the leadership this fall. Without Padavan to help keep the county committee in line, Haggerty seems more likely than ever to wrest control of the party from Ragusa and installing his puppet at the Board of Elections to further insure victory for his clients/candidates.
First he screwed Maltese, then he tried to screw Como, and now Padavan. When will republicans learn that dealing with John Haggerty is the kiss of death?
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written by Alibaba , December 11, 2008
Apparently there are people who are still praising him and thinking that he is a great guy. This is really awful . . . I feel bad for Padavan and worse for Queens! Como, Maltese and now Padavan! And then there were none.
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written by Dan Halloran , December 11, 2008
Whatever we think of the factions in the Queens GOP it is clear at this point that the legal strategy thus far has not worked. We MUST salvage the situation at all costs.
In talking with another attorney and Queens GOP'er we lamented the tactical decisions in the case and I, as a litigator, and he, as an Appellate Advocate, both concluded that without a radical change in force and direction, the Padavan election was in jeopardy. Other insiders in the party reached the same conclusion both with and without a law degree.
The problem in a nutshel is twofold- first the entire case has IMHO been fought from a defensive posture, without forceful advocates pushing back and harder than the other side.
The second problem is the lack of coherent direction to take the fight in- without a unity of purpose, its always difficult to steer ANY lawsuit, let alone one as complex as this.
Someone needs to take this up the street before its too late for Frank- who certainly doesn't deserve to lose because of legal apathy.
Litigation is WAR. Take no prisoners should be the modus operandi here.
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written by Jay Golub , December 13, 2008
http://www.politico.com/blogs/...anken.html
Franken gets a victory in Court.
the lack of success of Republicans in these types of endeavors is due to the central fact that conservatives do not understand the Courts and have ceeded them to the Left for many years now...
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